I'm not a tech worker and can't speak to what's happening in that industry specifically.
My window to understanding bits of Indian culture was from reading The Far Pavilions and Shadow of the Moon both by MM Kaye, two sprawling, epic books by an Englishwoman born and raised in India during its time as part of the British Empire. They are both highly celebratory of Indian culture but also unflinchingly honest in their portrayal of the same. It is NOT a Western culture and many of their fundamental values differ from ours in exactly the ways that are being described in the discourse. One of the most basic and consequential being this: it is okay to lie, cheat, steal, and decisive outsiders in order to advance the interests of your clan. It's just baked in to the culture and has been for millennia. And it's not just India! This is a long-standing, baked-in feature of many Eastern cultures. They do not see it as a bad thing; it's just the way their world works.
I have no ill will to Indians as a group, but you cannot import them in large numbers and not expect this phenomenon to become more and more widespread.
"So why does our own government treat us like immoral racists for wanting our own institutions for our own progeny without being forced to share it with a people who don’t share Western values?"
That question might be rhetorical, but I think the answer is fairly obvious. There's another clannish group in the west that has high levels of in-group preference and animosity towards the traditional population. They dominate the major institutions and have been the main advocates for open borders.
Note that it doesn't matter what party is in charge, immigration only increases. The former 'conservative' government of Poland gave away 2 MILLION work visas to asians and africans without telling anyone. Before Trudeau, Stephen Harper's 'conservatives' set records for immigration. You can't vote your way out of this, as you are seeing with the current fracas on X/Twitter.
Thanks for writing this. You express well my own ambivalence about Indian immigration to N. America. I’ve twice been to India, traveling from the furthest north in Ladakh to the furthest south in Tamil Nadu, from Rajahstan in the West, to Bengal and Bangladesh in the East. The Indian subcontinent is an endlessly fascinating place that I’d love to visit again one day. I met many wonderful Indian people and have enormous respect for the challenges faced by most of them. I’ve also met many here in Canada and the USA and respect the work ethic most of them have. In the Thunder Bay Area where I live, the population of Indian immigrants has increased dramatically in recent years. Many businesses (grocery stores, fast-food restaurants, gas stations and large retailers) have largely Indian employees due, I’ve heard, to their work ethic compared to native-born Canadians. The trucking industry in Canada also seems to have been significantly taken over by Indians due, I think, to the lack of young native-born Canadians wanting to become truck drivers.
I understand these realities and have no animus toward Indians who are understandably taking advantage of a situation to improve their economic conditions. Given my travels in Indian, I often ask the specific area they come from when I encounter them, to which they always react with delight when I tell them I know of the place or have even been there.
However, I do not want Canada or the USA to become anything like India, which they inevitably will (or already have) if the population of Indians becomes sufficiently large. India should remain the unique country that it is, as should Canada and the USA. But that would require native-born, European descended people to have sufficient children, and instill in them the necessary work ethic, to fill the jobs the society and economy requires, which we have done a woeful job doing.
The maddening thing about this discourse is the main contention that we need H1B visas because there are jobs that otherwise would not get filled. If true, this claim has very clear economic implications:
1) H1B holders should be employed at higher relative frequency in the most intellectually demanding positions requiring more experience at higher rates of pay.
2) Furthermore, those positions should see wage growth in excess of industry averages.
If instead, H1B holders tend to have higher concentrations in more entry-level, less technical, lower paying work within a given industry, and the types of jobs they hold have had lower than average wage growth than other jobs in that industry, the above claim cannot be true. By definition, jobs with greater labor scarcity or which have higher demand will be more expensive and increasingly so.
This should be empirically provable. So where is the evidence?
I believe your last paragraph is the perfect rebuttal to any and all cries of "racism" that are levied against any kind of common sense arguments. I love my family more than I will ever tolerate any outsiders, and its perfectly acceptable and even expected. To apologise for that is spineless.
I'm not a tech worker and can't speak to what's happening in that industry specifically.
My window to understanding bits of Indian culture was from reading The Far Pavilions and Shadow of the Moon both by MM Kaye, two sprawling, epic books by an Englishwoman born and raised in India during its time as part of the British Empire. They are both highly celebratory of Indian culture but also unflinchingly honest in their portrayal of the same. It is NOT a Western culture and many of their fundamental values differ from ours in exactly the ways that are being described in the discourse. One of the most basic and consequential being this: it is okay to lie, cheat, steal, and decisive outsiders in order to advance the interests of your clan. It's just baked in to the culture and has been for millennia. And it's not just India! This is a long-standing, baked-in feature of many Eastern cultures. They do not see it as a bad thing; it's just the way their world works.
I have no ill will to Indians as a group, but you cannot import them in large numbers and not expect this phenomenon to become more and more widespread.
"So why does our own government treat us like immoral racists for wanting our own institutions for our own progeny without being forced to share it with a people who don’t share Western values?"
That question might be rhetorical, but I think the answer is fairly obvious. There's another clannish group in the west that has high levels of in-group preference and animosity towards the traditional population. They dominate the major institutions and have been the main advocates for open borders.
Note that it doesn't matter what party is in charge, immigration only increases. The former 'conservative' government of Poland gave away 2 MILLION work visas to asians and africans without telling anyone. Before Trudeau, Stephen Harper's 'conservatives' set records for immigration. You can't vote your way out of this, as you are seeing with the current fracas on X/Twitter.
Thanks for writing this. You express well my own ambivalence about Indian immigration to N. America. I’ve twice been to India, traveling from the furthest north in Ladakh to the furthest south in Tamil Nadu, from Rajahstan in the West, to Bengal and Bangladesh in the East. The Indian subcontinent is an endlessly fascinating place that I’d love to visit again one day. I met many wonderful Indian people and have enormous respect for the challenges faced by most of them. I’ve also met many here in Canada and the USA and respect the work ethic most of them have. In the Thunder Bay Area where I live, the population of Indian immigrants has increased dramatically in recent years. Many businesses (grocery stores, fast-food restaurants, gas stations and large retailers) have largely Indian employees due, I’ve heard, to their work ethic compared to native-born Canadians. The trucking industry in Canada also seems to have been significantly taken over by Indians due, I think, to the lack of young native-born Canadians wanting to become truck drivers.
I understand these realities and have no animus toward Indians who are understandably taking advantage of a situation to improve their economic conditions. Given my travels in Indian, I often ask the specific area they come from when I encounter them, to which they always react with delight when I tell them I know of the place or have even been there.
However, I do not want Canada or the USA to become anything like India, which they inevitably will (or already have) if the population of Indians becomes sufficiently large. India should remain the unique country that it is, as should Canada and the USA. But that would require native-born, European descended people to have sufficient children, and instill in them the necessary work ethic, to fill the jobs the society and economy requires, which we have done a woeful job doing.
The maddening thing about this discourse is the main contention that we need H1B visas because there are jobs that otherwise would not get filled. If true, this claim has very clear economic implications:
1) H1B holders should be employed at higher relative frequency in the most intellectually demanding positions requiring more experience at higher rates of pay.
2) Furthermore, those positions should see wage growth in excess of industry averages.
If instead, H1B holders tend to have higher concentrations in more entry-level, less technical, lower paying work within a given industry, and the types of jobs they hold have had lower than average wage growth than other jobs in that industry, the above claim cannot be true. By definition, jobs with greater labor scarcity or which have higher demand will be more expensive and increasingly so.
This should be empirically provable. So where is the evidence?
RESPECT. And ditto for Canadia...
I believe your last paragraph is the perfect rebuttal to any and all cries of "racism" that are levied against any kind of common sense arguments. I love my family more than I will ever tolerate any outsiders, and its perfectly acceptable and even expected. To apologise for that is spineless.